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  • UpTrust AdminSA•...

    What actually happened on January 6th?: Insurrection frame

    The legal record On January 20, 2025, Trump signed executive clemency for over 1,500 January 6th defendants. Some had been convicted of seditious conspiracy. Some had pleaded guilty to assaulting police officers with flagpoles and chemical spray....
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  • K

    May I see Your ID Please. AT the top,l et me say I pride myself as being what I call a common sense Centrist, I think good governance is good governance simple as that.  I think Its Good for Gvt to defend our country, pave our roads, help people recover from disaster, provide Limited help to people who need ot be lifted out of poverty. You get the picture.  NOT good for GVT; tell me what books I can read, installing religious beliefs in schools,  basically stay out of my Beliefs.   

    Hopefully that qualifies me as a reasonable common sense human.  

    Having said that, Lets try this. 

    Some form of Identification requirement for Voting is not such a horribe Idea.  

    Some support for my Argument.

    If I want to FLY, I must provide a Gvt issued ID

    If I want to Operate a Motor Vehicle- I MUST have the GVT Issued License.

    If I want to go to the library I need a "card" to do So. 

    If I buy Tickets for a Show and go to Willcall to get the tix. I need to Provide ID.

    The Left says that VOTER ID would discourage Some from Voting.  The Rght says that attitude Proves that the Democrat leaders encourage Voter Fraud AND those fraudulent voters ALWAYS vote Democratic.  There is NO evidence tthat actually Happens in any organized way.  And, Who are these people that want to Vote Illegally, How many of them are out there.  Enough to change the outcome of elections?  Im a cynic on that Idea.

    Im Saying it's time to Put this debate to bed.  Provide a State Issued Voter ID.  

    In NJ The Motor Vehicle Comission Issues the "REAL ID". It has deep proof of who I am.  If the GVT trusts that and will let me get on a Plane, It seems to me that should Qualify as a way to verify I have a verified way to Vote.   

    chauncedog60•...
    I agree with your perspective on voter ID. Why? Because, for what it's worth, since this is the only thing that gives all citizens an equal say regarding the authority we invest in the stewardship of our country, it is everyone's best interest to guarantee the integrity of the...
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    american history
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  • NewsEveryday•...

    Donald Trump is UNAMERICAN

    So, I listened to the Declaration of Independence Day. And with current events, it suggests we ALL OVERTHROW TACO DJT.  This leads me to believe that most of his cabinet have read NEITHER the Declaration of Independence OR The Constitution....
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  • J

    Hot take: Greenland's Masterstroke. Greenland agrees to voluntarily join the United States on the condition of immediate statehood. It then uses that leverage to push the US government towards more sane governance, including the impeachment of Donald Trump, the reinstatement and strengthening of institutional guardrails, and the repair of ties with the EU. Once those objectives are achieved, Greenland then secedes, gaining full independence with the consent of a future US administration.

    aharoni•...

    There is no legal mechanism for unilateral secession. The only serious attempt to secede ended in Civil War.

    Besides, adding two senators wouldn't change the big picture of American politics much.

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  • Skippy8801•...

    Why does it have to be blue vs. red?

    Whatever happened to meeting in the middle on political issues? I am old enough to remember when American politicians were generally more moderate, not so partisan and seemingly unwilling to compromise as they have been recently....
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  • Xuramitra PPARK•...

    For the next 100+ years, every American gen will be worse than its precedessor

    There's a strange American exceptionalism that believes that the US is uniquely positioned to be great forever. Likewise, there's this immaturity that takes it for granted that every generation ought to live better than its parents' generation....
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  • pete avatar

    American aristocracy could learn some things from the old world. A big American founding myth is that we eliminated the aristocracy from our government, but the real American innovation is making it much easier to join the aristocracy starting as an outsider. 

    Sure, great. A little closer to meritocracy, one hopes. 

    But governance is complex enough that you’d ideally want to be trained from birth to do it. Programs of similar intensity to olympic training, for example. 

    That was a potential upside of the previous method. You had a limited set of preselected kids who were almost certainly going to rule one day, so you could put them through the training to do so. It often worked pretty well.

    Now anyone who is good at twitter can ostensibly rule without knowing anything about how to do it. 

    Remember Boaty McBoatface? Our current timeline is the spiritual equivalent of running an internet poll to determine who is in charge of a nuclear reactor. Except orders of magnitudes more reckless and dangerous than that. 

     We need a better synthesis. 

    #DeepTakes

    Laura•...
    I would have to disagree.  This country was founded to benefit a limited group, to consolidate power to that group, and to disempower those not in that group (that group being property owning, white men)....
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  • pete avatar

    American aristocracy could learn some things from the old world. A big American founding myth is that we eliminated the aristocracy from our government, but the real American innovation is making it much easier to join the aristocracy starting as an outsider. 

    Sure, great. A little closer to meritocracy, one hopes. 

    But governance is complex enough that you’d ideally want to be trained from birth to do it. Programs of similar intensity to olympic training, for example. 

    That was a potential upside of the previous method. You had a limited set of preselected kids who were almost certainly going to rule one day, so you could put them through the training to do so. It often worked pretty well.

    Now anyone who is good at twitter can ostensibly rule without knowing anything about how to do it. 

    Remember Boaty McBoatface? Our current timeline is the spiritual equivalent of running an internet poll to determine who is in charge of a nuclear reactor. Except orders of magnitudes more reckless and dangerous than that. 

     We need a better synthesis. 

    #DeepTakes

    zookatron•...
    Fair enough, this goes back to my first point in my first reply. Obviously managing the American empire is much more complicated than an ICE, but I see that more as a symptom of bad leaders rather than a cause of leadership being hard....
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  • TTL•...

    The Democratic Party should join the GOP to counter MAGA

    Today* I helped my family move my maternal grandparents back into their home in Altadena, from which they had been evacuated due to the Eaton Fire in LA for over 2 months....
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  • blake avatar

    The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, probably via use of the word "optics" ;) . I've been reading the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire (abridged*, of course, at least to start with!). New to the topic, and I’ve never identified as a history buff, but I’m really loving it. I wanted to write a short post about it, but couldn’t quickly figure out how to say what I wanted briefly, so here’s a long one!

    It feels like a bird's-eye view of modern politics, in many ways, but especially regarding "The American Experiment." I'm sure this comparison isn't new--it's probably a huge part of what makes Decline and Fall popular today, despite being published in 1776. Since there's a whole trope about Rome buffs, I imagine many of you have hashed over all this a ton previously.

    The early part of Decline and Fall starts with how amazing Rome was. Of course, it built on other civilizations and governments that came before it, but I think we these days have a hard time imagining just how surprisingly modern it would seem to us, if we were transplanted to the Roman Empire in its heyday. Of course we have tons of hard tech they didn't. But on the social level, I think a lot of it would feel spookily familiar. (I’m sure the author and I are both missing or leaving out huge ways it’s different. But I think there’s still a lot we can learn from it.)

    Widespread assumption of and dedication to: rule of law, trial by peers, market-based economy. And somehow the start of the Roman Empire manifested a deep dedication among citizens and leaders to a Republic as the form of government. No nepotism, no monarchy, no might makes right. Government of the people, by the people, for the people, at least in spirit--my sense is people and government and military were all aligned in their dedication to that spirit. 

    And peace! Peace, for centuries, throughout a huge swath of the known world, where that hadn’t happened before. There was a kind of national religion they inherited from the Greeks, but they seem to have been even more dedicated to religious tolerance than to their religion (prior to Constantine and the Christians taking over). Sure, there was kind of constant fighting on the edges of the empire, including always against the pesky Gauls and German barbarians, who really hated the idea of being part of the big empire. But mostly, and especially compared to times before in much of Europe, you could live safe in your home with your family, for generations even, protected by law-abiding and law-enforcing local authorities, backed up by the Roman army when needed, truly answerable to the people through the representation of the Senate, such as it was, and it was pretty great as far as I can tell. 

    Now, the bird's-eye view of the modern USA comes in when, generation after generation, leader after leader, eventually monarch after monarch, the common-knowledge shared dedication to being a Republic and to all the ideas above, faded over time. First, one or two leaders came along who had enough sway over the army and enough popularity with the people that they were able to, against the grain of all Republic dedication, declare themselves effective leaders of the empire. First humbly, as first-among-many. Then with time, openly and pompously. Then with more time, it became obvious to everyone that the Republic was only a Republic in name, that it was just obviously "the way things worked" that the army effectively got to decide who became emperor, and that as soon as the army switched loyalties, you'd better be ready for a change, including probably a bunch of people getting killed for being on the wrong side. 

    The thing about Decline and Fall, wrt this kind of degradation, is you get to read real human stories of this happening, again, and again, and again, and again. The same patterns, the different humans with unique circumstances playing them out. 

    Why did the dedication to the original ideals degrade with time? I think the same natural processes, and lack of opposing processes, have led the US and myriad other democracies down similar paths over time. People and groups learn to subvert the system to get more of what they want in the short term, sacrificing the common-knowledge dedications and ideals that support the good things they have in the world. They pay less attention to the whole than is needed to maintain it. 

    I'll name what I see today as one instance of roughly this kind of degradation, and I hope it's a little spicy. I have been part of many, many conversations in organizations where, when discussing some strategic question for the organization, the word "optics" comes up. For the uninitiated, the word "optics" in this context means: people could see what we're doing and have interpretations of it. We don't want those interpretations to have bad consequences for us. So let's be sure to include in our strategizing some component of consideration for trying to get people's impressions (the public, journalists, stakeholders, or etc) to be at least neutral. I can understand that. But I want to live in a world where we're creating the whole we want, not mostly attempting to persuade or convince or if nothing else not be noticed by parts of society that IMO we ought to relate to as peers. If we all practice distrusting our peers' sense-making processes in this way of strategizing about "optics", we'll all end up with a society with worse and less sense-making. So what do I want instead? I want us to take actions with integrity. Yes to being aware of our reputation (individually, organizationally, etc) and acting with integrity.

    (*The abridged version I landed on, after some back and forth about versions with Claude, is the Womersly version. I love it. You get 100-200 pages of the above, which was just right for this first-timer.)

    #DeepTakes

    jordanSA•...
    Thanks, I super appreciate your expertise here. What's your sense of why this steady increase in power? Is it part of the nature of being human, or the seduction of power, or the speed of getting things done when you have executive (in comparison to deliberating and voting), or a...
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  • peteSA•...

    American aristocracy could learn some things from the old world

    A big American founding myth is that we eliminated the aristocracy from our government, but the real American innovation is making it much easier to join the aristocracy starting as an outsider.  Sure, great. A little closer to meritocracy, one hopes....
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    political theory
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  • T

    Thoughts from a lefty. As someone more on the left, it’s always depressing to watch these debates. Both candidates pro war, ignoring Israeli aggression, both want to drill more fossil fuels—which will drive climate change regardless of how much windmills you build, and lies about immigration. 80% of drug trafficking arrests at us border are US citizens lol. The Democratic Party has moved very far to the right over the years and it’s showing tonight. One reason they keep agreeing on things I think

    timpclark.88@gmail.com•...
    I think polarization is a slippery concept. Congress is more polarized, in the sense that there is less overlap on voting for instance. And the electorate is more firmly polarized, with fewer undecided voters....
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  • Philip avatar

    So.. who’s winning in y’all’s opinion?

    jordanSA•...

    The American people :)

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  • jordan avatar

    id like to learn more about juneteenth. can you guys share it?

    jordanSA•...
    I just found out something that will probably increase the sobriety. Here it is from wikipedia: Although this date commemorates enslaved people learning of their freedom under the Emancipation Proclamation, this only applied to former Confederate states....
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  • jordan avatar

    id like to learn more about juneteenth. can you guys share it?

    dara_like_saraSA•...
    Yeah, Juneteenth is a significant holiday in Texas– It’s the day that enslaved black texans received news of the Emancipation Proclamation, 2.5 years after the executive order was instated in 1863. Folks in texas didn’t hear of the news until June 19, 1865....
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  • jordan avatar

    id like to learn more about juneteenth. can you guys share it?

    cvbarcia2013@gmail.com•...

    I just learned that it is highly honored in Texas, among other places, I am sure. =) I also understand that it became a federally observed holiday a few years ago.

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  • jordan avatar

    What theories do you think are true that others think are conspiracies? What theories do you think are true that others think are conspiracies?

    ballz2dwallz•...

    def the murders of JFK and MLK that’s covert political shit for sure

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